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	<description>Finally... A CMS Built For Web Designers and Entrepreneurs</description>
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		<title>By: Zsolt</title>
		<link>http://cmslaunch.com/7/file-based-or-mysql/#comment-3831</link>
		<dc:creator>Zsolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I forgot to mention:
opensource is great, I dont't use closedsource webapps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I forgot to mention:<br />
opensource is great, I dont&#8217;t use closedsource webapps</p>
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		<title>By: Zsolt</title>
		<link>http://cmslaunch.com/7/file-based-or-mysql/#comment-3830</link>
		<dc:creator>Zsolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been searching for years for a cms, (for graphic designers with a little php knowledge) easy use, no database, with css-xhtml templates, and with a good and logic admin interface. 
With no luck.

Speaking for myself, I hate mysql. It may be true, that for medium and large sites, databases are the only alternative. But for small sites with 20-30 pages, and a small gallery? Most cms's are like a canon...
True, there are many excellent cms/blog systems, but not for me.


That is why I decided to make my own cms:
&lt;blockquote cite=""&gt;
     1. flatfile database, txtsql or maybe gladius(great), or even maybe just some includable files.
      2. wysiwyg editor this is important for my clients. Maybe some flash texteditor, (for God's sake, just no javascript)
      3. It should be small 3-4 MB, no 18 MB cms system fot 10 pages of text.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know there are many coders out there, who says now, what an idiot. wysiwyg and xhtml css validation does not like each other. Yes, maybe, but I can not expect that my clients will learn xhtml just for the sake of xhtml validation.

Cms today are for the experienced webdeveloper. 
For example drakecms with gladius is great, -- and here comes the BUT --, the admin GUI is terrible. Too many options, illogical button-names, etc. I know drakecms is one of the best systems, and I like it, but, but, but....

Ok, thats enough for now, sorry for my english -- and since I came from the Graphic Design World -- sorry for my bad opinion.
I am still waiting for a good cms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been searching for years for a cms, (for graphic designers with a little php knowledge) easy use, no database, with css-xhtml templates, and with a good and logic admin interface.<br />
With no luck.</p>
<p>Speaking for myself, I hate mysql. It may be true, that for medium and large sites, databases are the only alternative. But for small sites with 20-30 pages, and a small gallery? Most cms&#8217;s are like a canon&#8230;<br />
True, there are many excellent cms/blog systems, but not for me.</p>
<p>That is why I decided to make my own cms:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>
     1. flatfile database, txtsql or maybe gladius(great), or even maybe just some includable files.<br />
      2. wysiwyg editor this is important for my clients. Maybe some flash texteditor, (for God&#8217;s sake, just no javascript)<br />
      3. It should be small 3-4 MB, no 18 MB cms system fot 10 pages of text.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I know there are many coders out there, who says now, what an idiot. wysiwyg and xhtml css validation does not like each other. Yes, maybe, but I can not expect that my clients will learn xhtml just for the sake of xhtml validation.</p>
<p>Cms today are for the experienced webdeveloper.<br />
For example drakecms with gladius is great, &#8212; and here comes the BUT &#8211;, the admin GUI is terrible. Too many options, illogical button-names, etc. I know drakecms is one of the best systems, and I like it, but, but, but&#8230;.</p>
<p>Ok, thats enough for now, sorry for my english &#8212; and since I came from the Graphic Design World &#8212; sorry for my bad opinion.<br />
I am still waiting for a good cms.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniele C.</title>
		<link>http://cmslaunch.com/7/file-based-or-mysql/#comment-2964</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniele C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an answer: BOTH.

Using Drake CMS you can switch from the embedded Gladius DB (flat-file with SQL92 compliance) to any other dbms (Drake CMS uses adoDB lite as database abstraction layer) with a few clicks. I think it is revolutionary enough for now ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an answer: BOTH.</p>
<p>Using Drake CMS you can switch from the embedded Gladius DB (flat-file with SQL92 compliance) to any other dbms (Drake CMS uses adoDB lite as database abstraction layer) with a few clicks. I think it is revolutionary enough for now <img src='http://cmslaunch.com/wpblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
		<link>http://cmslaunch.com/7/file-based-or-mysql/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your opinions on CMS quite close to mine. For my site I made a few... let's call them tools, to make life easier to the guys that made the contents (they used FrontPage for everything :S). These tools have evolved, and now are kind of a CMS that stores most of the data in text files (I use the DB mostly for a phpBB forum).

They still work with static files, and when the work of maintaining them is too much, I convert them to a template and then the scripts kick in with the data (that can come from text files or the DB). The growth of the website has been huge (for what is essentially a hobby project) and I'm starting to feel the pressure of the patchy nature of my tools. But I haven't found a CMS that allows me a mix of file-based and DB-based content. Until now :)

I'll follow with interest the evolution of your project. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your opinions on CMS quite close to mine. For my site I made a few&#8230; let&#8217;s call them tools, to make life easier to the guys that made the contents (they used FrontPage for everything :S). These tools have evolved, and now are kind of a CMS that stores most of the data in text files (I use the DB mostly for a phpBB forum).</p>
<p>They still work with static files, and when the work of maintaining them is too much, I convert them to a template and then the scripts kick in with the data (that can come from text files or the DB). The growth of the website has been huge (for what is essentially a hobby project) and I&#8217;m starting to feel the pressure of the patchy nature of my tools. But I haven&#8217;t found a CMS that allows me a mix of file-based and DB-based content. Until now <img src='http://cmslaunch.com/wpblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll follow with interest the evolution of your project. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: sunsean</title>
		<link>http://cmslaunch.com/7/file-based-or-mysql/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>sunsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward to seeing you're CMS. The idea is grand and long overdue. Finding a happy medium between developers and clients is not easy, but I believe you might have something here. I eagerly await the video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look forward to seeing you&#8217;re CMS. The idea is grand and long overdue. Finding a happy medium between developers and clients is not easy, but I believe you might have something here. I eagerly await the video.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Scully</title>
		<link>http://cmslaunch.com/7/file-based-or-mysql/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Scully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sweet, can't wait!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sweet, can&#8217;t wait!</p>
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		<title>By: jackborn</title>
		<link>http://cmslaunch.com/7/file-based-or-mysql/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>jackborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CMS will be on your server. So this is quite different from square-whatever...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"and Iâ€™d pay for a product like that just to allow clients a good way to edit their content once I hand it over to them. Itâ€™s a small price to pay, not to mention a real time-saver, not having to worry about having to explain anything to them once I hand over the design &#038; content. Thereâ€™s definitely a need out there for this kind of stuff."&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, that's what I've created.

I'm in the middle of making minor changes suggested to me by clients who have purchased some of my other software.

I'll release a video of the templating process soon.

Another thing... this isn't a flat file system or a database system, it's both.  You can put all your content in the database, or all in files, or a mix, whatever you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CMS will be on your server. So this is quite different from square-whatever&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;and Iâ€™d pay for a product like that just to allow clients a good way to edit their content once I hand it over to them. Itâ€™s a small price to pay, not to mention a real time-saver, not having to worry about having to explain anything to them once I hand over the design &#038; content. Thereâ€™s definitely a need out there for this kind of stuff.&#8221;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve created.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the middle of making minor changes suggested to me by clients who have purchased some of my other software.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll release a video of the templating process soon.</p>
<p>Another thing&#8230; this isn&#8217;t a flat file system or a database system, it&#8217;s both.  You can put all your content in the database, or all in files, or a mix, whatever you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Scully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Scully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's fine. Squarespace is a really great product, regardless of wether or not it costs anything; and I'd pay for a product like that just to allow clients a good way to edit their content once I hand it over to them. It's a small price to pay, not to mention a real time-saver, not having to worry about having to explain anything to them once I hand over the design &#38; content. There's definitely a need out there for this kind of stuff.

However, where is the CMS going to be housed? How do you plan "to be able to convert your HTML layout into a template in seconds without any effort?" Is it going to be an easy way to add tags, or scripts, or the-like, to an html file that automatically adds administrative functionality to flat-files, as well as the option for database-storage for database-friendly content like spreadsheet information, and the-like.

Not to say that it is impossible to be financially supported by this CMS you've been working on, if it became an open-source platform being evolved by many people all accross the world rather than just one person or a team of say 10/20.

Is there a way to market this idea of flat-file cms to actual website-server companies, and have them financially subscribe to this platform idea to compete with other server companies?

I know that there are allot of website designers that are moving towards trying to make html templates using standardized ways of laying out pages with css &#38; xhtml, so that any website-design can be automatically converted to any-other website-design with the ease of, say...

http://www.csszengarden.com or http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/CSSLoveChild/

Which actually may make this kind of idea easier to work with if there is some kind of standardization. But I suppose it's hard to collaborate with people, because the moment it gets opened-up, it suddenly isn't entirely owned by the original creator(s), and financial support starts to spiral dangerously out of control. There has to be a solution to this way. ...Maybe I want to change the way markets work rather than how websites work; lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s fine. Squarespace is a really great product, regardless of wether or not it costs anything; and I&#8217;d pay for a product like that just to allow clients a good way to edit their content once I hand it over to them. It&#8217;s a small price to pay, not to mention a real time-saver, not having to worry about having to explain anything to them once I hand over the design &amp; content. There&#8217;s definitely a need out there for this kind of stuff.</p>
<p>However, where is the CMS going to be housed? How do you plan &#8220;to be able to convert your HTML layout into a template in seconds without any effort?&#8221; Is it going to be an easy way to add tags, or scripts, or the-like, to an html file that automatically adds administrative functionality to flat-files, as well as the option for database-storage for database-friendly content like spreadsheet information, and the-like.</p>
<p>Not to say that it is impossible to be financially supported by this CMS you&#8217;ve been working on, if it became an open-source platform being evolved by many people all accross the world rather than just one person or a team of say 10/20.</p>
<p>Is there a way to market this idea of flat-file cms to actual website-server companies, and have them financially subscribe to this platform idea to compete with other server companies?</p>
<p>I know that there are allot of website designers that are moving towards trying to make html templates using standardized ways of laying out pages with css &amp; xhtml, so that any website-design can be automatically converted to any-other website-design with the ease of, say&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.csszengarden.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.csszengarden.com</a> or <a href="http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/CSSLoveChild/" rel="nofollow">http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/CSSLoveChild/</a></p>
<p>Which actually may make this kind of idea easier to work with if there is some kind of standardization. But I suppose it&#8217;s hard to collaborate with people, because the moment it gets opened-up, it suddenly isn&#8217;t entirely owned by the original creator(s), and financial support starts to spiral dangerously out of control. There has to be a solution to this way. &#8230;Maybe I want to change the way markets work rather than how websites work; lol</p>
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		<title>By: jackborn</title>
		<link>http://cmslaunch.com/7/file-based-or-mysql/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>jackborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis,
I found your observations very interesting and insightful.  However, what I'm developing will not be open source either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis,<br />
I found your observations very interesting and insightful.  However, what I&#8217;m developing will not be open source either.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Scully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Scully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yeah, forgot to mention this... Squarespace was a really good example of wysiwyg CMS. Check them out sometimes if you want to get some ideas - http://www.squarespace.com

It's a proprietary website management system all its own, but last time I used it, it was really really easy &#38; relatively-intuitive to work with. Blogger easy almost! However, ...its a service, not an open-source product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yeah, forgot to mention this&#8230; Squarespace was a really good example of wysiwyg CMS. Check them out sometimes if you want to get some ideas - <a href="http://www.squarespace.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.squarespace.com</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a proprietary website management system all its own, but last time I used it, it was really really easy &amp; relatively-intuitive to work with. Blogger easy almost! However, &#8230;its a service, not an open-source product.</p>
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